2016 Browns draft reaction.

Let’s bang out reaction to this year’s draft and put it in the time capsule.

(I’m just going post day one and two now; will update for day three later.)  (I don’t know why the emoticons flash on iOS devices.  Sorry about that.)


The trade-backs.

Yeah, fine whatever.  I was indifferent whether we stayed or traded back.  I wasn’t a big fan of Goff, would’ve been ok with him or Wentz, seemed like Goff threw a tighter spiral but that’s as far as I went.  However I am quite delighted we’re not saddled with “If Darren Rovell was a football player, QB, Verizon.”

So it turns out that it was a good thing that the Browns had “apparently dozed off while the Rams moved from No. 15 to the top spot” as Tony G. snarked a couple days ago.

I’ve lost track on the trade backs.  Maybe I’ll come back with a take on the perceived value based on value acquired.  I do, though, think Berea outsmarted themselves with the third round trade back as the Cody Kessler pick has the whiff of panic, i.e., the Pats scooped Brissett so let’s get the next QB on board NOW.  But even there, I think they inadvertently got the better NFL QB prospect while missing out on the better college ath-a-leet.  More on that below.

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On reflection, I’m pleased we went the pick accumulation route.  We picked up two firsts and a second while implementing a expansion draft focused on broad, locker room changing talent infusion.  Ultimately it depends on what they do with the picks (durrrr…) but I have to give significant credit to the team for making this layup.  As we’ve seen over the years, the Berea draft room has been known to get lost in the fog of war so good job on the execution here.


Kendall Coleman.

Wideout from Baylor.  Under six feet tall with 30.25″ arms and 9.0″ hands.  Before I say more on those numbers, Pat McManonmon wants you and me to know that short receivers sometimes do well with his obligatory short receivers sometime succeed piece.  However banal his intended point, he manages to crossover into “wrong” by adding Odell Beckham into his comparison group.  ODB’s arms are long for his height (32.75″) and his hands are big (10″).

Corey Coleman just like ODB. Except for arm length and hand size.

Corey Coleman just like ODB. (Except for arm length and hand size.)  So I guess Coleman makes this catch too.  Good to know.

Somehow McManomin has failed to connect the dots between the preference for and success of bigger receivers and the concept of catch radius.  I assume he understands that height allows taller receivers to take balls away from shorter dback but he either doesn’t understand that longer arms provide even more meaningful reach advantages than height… or he’s deliberately being obtuse to address his none-to-sophisticated ESPN readership.  Either way, it’s the dumbest piece I’ve read post draft and maybe even wrested the crown for stupidest draft commentary away from Grossi’s click-bait shark-jump referenced above.

My reaction to Coleman initially was “Kendall Wright part 2.” Berea had a hard-on for Wright in 2012 and fortunately the Titans took him in front of us.  Wright has gone on to a pedestrian career arc about on par with Tavon Austin.  But Coleman is at least faster than Wright and Coleman did do 17 bench press reps, top5 among WRs at the combine.  **Cough, short arms helps bench reps.  Cough.**  Whether good upper body means good blocker is TBD, but short arms means poorer blocking.  It is known. (It is known.) It is also known that a guy they passed up has three inch longer arms and knows how to use them to catch AND to block. (Go to 49 second mark.)

The Browns aren’t specifically a team without receivers, they are specifically a team without red zone targets. Corey Coleman does not appear to address this while LaQuon Treadwell selection did.

On a scale of one to five Frowns (one being Phil Taylor, five being David Veikune).
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You passed on Laquon Treadwell for Kendall Wright.   Ya, I know his first name is Corey.

McGinn rating:
3. COREY COLEMAN, Baylor (5-10 ½, 193, 4.38, 2): Fourth-year junior from Richardson, Texas. “He is a slot but he could play outside,” said one scout. “He’s a No. 2. His play speed is good and he’s athletic. Baylor guys have a lot to learn because of the way they play. On their backside, they don’t even come off the line and you don’t really block.” Vertical jump of 40 ½, broad jump of 10-9 and the second-fastest 40 of the top 15 WRs. “He’s very thick and strong and short,” a second scout said. “Explosive run after the catch guy. He’s like Anquan Boldin.” Finished with 173 receptions for 3,009 (17.4) and 33 TDs. “He doesn’t have great hands but he has solid hands,” said a third scout. “Part of his (catching) issue is they went through four quarterbacks this year at Baylor.” Wonderlic of 10.


Emmanuel Ogbah.

He’s the two time Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year. Lol, no really.  TWICE!  Big12 DPOY. Could be a decent SNL skit but it’s not quite the honorific intended which is what makes it funny. To me.  Anyways…

You know, sorry, but forgive me if I’m sour on Oklahoma State.  But I have cause.
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I also have cause to question any and all defensive line picks because who the fuck knows where they’re supposed to play.

See, this is the shit. We’re supposed to think Horton’s hybrid 3-4 is a good thing because it fools offenses. Problem seems to be that it fools our players too. No one knows what they’re supposed to do other than attack aggressively. The fallacy of course is that if you attack aggressively in the wrong place you get burned which leads to confusion which leads to this (watch Mingo-51).

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So yeah whatever, Ogbah is obviously a great athlete.  I think Horton is such a poor coach though that the main thing is:  is he intuitive?  He’ll have to be in order to gain success in the cluster fuck that is the Horton defense.  I’m a DE, I’m a WILL, I’m a SAM, I’m a strong safety, I’m occupying blockers, I’m going after the ball, I’m edge rushing, I’m bull rushing, I’m dropping into coverage, I’ve got the TE, I’ve got edge contain, … I mean I have seen nothing out of Horton that shows any scheme whatsoever.  Just blah blah little guys who hit hard sort of bullshit.  Zero confidence in Ray Horton.  Just a more polished charlatan than Dowell Loggains on the defensive side.

If the ‘plan’ is to get a strong and fast guy who doesn’t mind hitting and a high energy level, then yeah, I guess Ogbah’s the guy.  In fact, maybe the only guy who ‘fits’ into the Horton defense.

For a positive scale let’s make a Chomps emoticon and give it two out of five, roughly equivalent to TJ Ward.  (John Hughes is three Chomps, there has been no five Chomp pick since Clay Matthews.)

201604301756MQQ201604301756MQQCapsule eval:  Likely to attack aggressively.

My pick here:  I’m fine with Ogbah.  I’d have taken Spence but don’t know enough about either to quibble too much.

Side note:  I would add that Myles Jack’s hype indicated that he’s the perfect Horton player.  Even if his recovery prognosis was 50-50, it’d have been worth the risk… if the tape bore out the hype.    That they passed on Jack, to me, indicates that Berea wasn’t buying the Jack hype more than that they didn’t like the injury report.

McGinn rating:
5. EMMANUEL OGBAH, Oklahoma State (6-4, 275, 4.62, 1-2): Fourth-year junior from Houston. “Prototypical 4-3 defensive end,” said one scout. “Got a high ceiling and he’s made of the right stuff. Just starting to figure out how good he can be. He’s a pretty darn good total package.” Best vertical jump (35 ½ inches) and longest arms (35 ½) of the DEs. “That Big 12 is like Arena football,” a second scout said. “It’s no huddle, and these pass rushers are asked to mush rush because they’ve got these quarterbacks that can slip through there. That’s an old (Bill) Belichick word. It slows down the rush. It’s hard to show pass rush. Emmanuel Ogbah, I love him.” Finished with 133 tackles (35 ½ for loss) and 26 ½ sacks. “He’d be better standing up,” a third scout said. “One of those guys with phenomenal height, weight, speed. Tested tremendously well. But he doesn’t play hard all the time, he’s stiff and he’s not naturally instinctive. There’s probably a 65% chance he busts and a 35% chance he’s a double-digit sack guy. Boom or bust type.”


Ryan Nassib.

One good year.  Another tall edge rusher.  They’re throwing shit at the wall here and seeing what will stick.  One thing is clear:  Berea has more faith in Josh Gordon contributing than they do Bark Mingo.  Or… or… maybe Mingo is learning the route tree and will be the red zone target instead of Laquon Treadwell.

Holla @Billy_Boi_90!

Holla @Billy_Boi_90!

On Nassib the film1 sure looks like younger, cheaper Paul Kruger to me.  Moneyball pick.  Here’s hoping Team Harvard understands that Moneyball value doesn’t totally translate in a salary cap sport.  We all know he got a lot of sacks but it’s kinda concerning when his highlight film — his highlight film — has him making run stops after four yard gains.  Stop me if you’ve heard this before but… what about run defense?

201604301635CZEOne dimensional.  Yah I know his first name is Carl.

The obvious alt here is Jonathan Bullard and its so obvious that the Browns must have made a conscious decision of Nassib over Bullard which is all you can ask of them.

(No McGinn.)


Shon Coleman.

Doughy 25 year old with poor form.  Didn’t run a 40 pre-draft due to “ínjury.”  Injury could well be gout.  Greg Robinson had us all fooled and this guy was his backup.  Projects to have one of those mystery quad strain injuries at the end camp to they can put him on an IR list rather than suffering the ignominy of cutting their third rounder.  Bust potential extremely high.  Nuf ced.

LeCharles Bentley’s eval.  (Spoiler:  contains phrases like “struggle adjusting to the constant high level competition” and “will not be able to get by with his born ability anymore.”)

201604301635CZE201604301635CZE201604301635CZE201604301635CZEMeanwhile Greg Mancz starts for the Texans.

Braxton Miller.

McGinn:
7. SHON COLEMAN, Auburn (6-5 ½, 306, 5.1, 2): Diagnosed with leukemia in spring 2010 and didn’t play in a game for three years. “I want to give Shon the benefit of the doubt,” one scout said. “He was away from football for two years and has gone through (cancer) treatment. He’s a developmental left tackle. Has some length (35 1/8 arms) and movement but needs more strength (22 reps on the bench press) to play in the league. I like his height and his demeanor.” Will be 25 in November. Earned his master’s degree in May 2014. Two-year starter at LT. “Prototypical dimensions,” said another scout. “He’s talented enough (to start). Needs to work on his bend and anchor.” Fourth-year junior from Memphis. “I didn’t like him,” a third scout said. “Waist-bender. I hate waist-benders.”


Cody Kessler.

This pick has all the earmarks of getting too cute and missing your guy and panicking.  Browns had two thirds, traded down to the bottom of the third, and the Pats took Jacoby Brissett two slots ahead of them.

BUT!  I actually think they lucked out.  Brissett seems to be the prototype build and athlete you want but without the field accomplishments he winds up being Logan Thomas, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, and, until proven different, Robert Griffin.  Brisett couldn’t win the job over Jeff Driskel in Gainesville (Same Jeff Driskel who later got benched and transferred to LaTech, Jeff Driskel) and transferred to NCST.  Brissett was fine in Raleigh, good even, but…

… Meanwhile Kessler throws an accurate ball and has those big hands (10-7/8″) that allow him to grip a ball comfortably without any unnatural pre-game shenanigans by part-time locker room attendants.  He beat out Max Wittek chasing him to Hawaii and held off the nation’s top QB recruit (Max Browne) to win his starters place at USC.  Three year starter at QB at USC.  Three year starter at QB at USC.

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While I wouldn’t have taken Kessler, I don’t want to second guess a four chomp pick.

(No McGinn.)


Joe Schobert.

You don’t want to know from me on this.  I was dead wrong on Chris ‘Short Arms’ Borland.  I’ve been mostly wrong on Tank Carder (big fan) (although you have to admit he’s doing something right to keep making active roster cuts).  And hey, you’re getting a fourth rounder who has a write-up in the McGinn series… and it’s actually a good write up without any crusty old scouting bitching about lazy waist bending and such as.

201604301756MQQ201604301756MQQ201604301756MQQHere’s hoping he’s more Chris Borland and less Chris Gocong.

I would’ve taken someone else but it doesn’t matter since we hold the next pick.

6. JOE SCHOBERT, Wisconsin (6-1 ½, 244, 4.69, 4): Played outside in the Badgers’ 3-4 but some teams project him inside. “Shea McClellin comes to mind,” said one scout. “Very similar in a lot of ways. Just a good football player.” Finished with 172 tackles (35 ½ for loss), 13 ½ sacks and 10 big plays. “He can rush a little bit, play outside a little bit, play ‘mike,'” said another scout. “He’d be a great guy to have training and being your first one off the bench as a rookie and then developing into one of the starters second, third year.” Led all LBs on the Wonderlic with 36. “I bet you he gets drafted in the bottom of the fourth as a weak inside backer in a 3-4,” said a third scout. “He’s athletic. Modern day football, baby.” Played at Waukesha West.


Ricardo Louis and Jordan Payton.

An auction for Connor Cooks was held after the Schobert pick and it netted the Browns picks in the mid 4th and mid 5th… just a hair more value than the high 4th round pick itself.  Browns used those picks for Louis and Payton.  They’re both big receivers in the 6-2 range, 4.5 40s.  Louis is the better athlete with a rep for drops; Payton has the sure hands and reputed difficulty getting release from the LOS.  Welp.

201604301635CZE201604301635CZE201604301635CZEAt least they’re both over 6-0.  So were Carlton Mitchell and Brian Robiskie.

Miles Killebrew is a banging safety with size.  I think the Browns got marginal value for trading back here and should’ve gotten one top talent rather than two borderline ones.  Lions picked him before our Louis pick came up.


Derrick Kindred.

In between Mitchell and Robiskie, the Browns got a safety.  Yeah sure, he’s four inches shorter than Killebrew with with shorter arms, smaller hands, less explosiveness (vertical and broad jump).  But don’t forget we got Brian Robiskie by trading back and Kindred brings that Big 12 defense pedigree so coveted in Berea.

201604301635CZE201604301635CZE201604301635CZE201604301635CZELookit Kindred might be fine, but this move back has ‘cutesy’ written all over it.

 


Seth DeValve.

I dunno, every team makes crazy picks in every draft.  Best guess is that Ozzie was flushing out moles in his draft room like Tyrion did with Littlefinger, Varys, and Pycelle telling them insane prospects he liked just to see who was the leak.

201604301635CZE201604301635CZETwo Frownies for this pick.  Would be more but it’s the fifth round and I’ve already killed the fifth round maybe too much.

Alex Collins.


Spencer Drango.

Had to laugh at this particular spin datum tweeted after this pick:

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That being said, Greco needs a back-up and so will Austin Pasztor when Shon Coleman suffers his quad strain.  (Wonders if Jason Pinkston is healed and still in town…)

201604301756MQQ Likely to make roster and that’s a win in the late fifth round.

 


Rashard Higgins.

Twitter feed liked this pick.  I wondered if they’d confused this guy with Paul Richardson.  But I like his length and size.  He was probably available here due to a slow 40 which is great.  Quick is needed for a Z to get release from the line; if you don’t get release your 4.4 time becomes moot.  Productive in school against decent competition.  Good value in the late fifth.

201604301756MQQ201604301756MQQ Best bet to contribute out of the Louis-Payton-Higgins trio.

 


Trey Coleman.
Actual Trey Coleman photo from his cleve-dot-com spin piece.

Actual Trey Coleman photo from his cleve-dot-com spin piece.

You know I love me some Sun Belt and ULM in particular.  But small (5-8) Sun Belt CBs not invited to combine don’t go in the fifth round, even with a comp pick.  And the best action shot cleve-dot-com can find is what’s shown at right, that’s not a great sign either.

201604301635CZE201604301635CZEPractice squad for a year, then a quiet cut.

Brandon Allen or Brandon Doughty were still on the board.  Pick one, carry him on the roster, pimp him to LaCanfora, and bam someone is giving you Matt Cassell or Matt Flynn or Ryan Mallett offers.  Teams go crazy for prototype QBs with potential.  5-8 special teamers from ULM?  Not so much.


Scooby Wright.

Love the motor.  You want him on your team.  Likely to energize the locker room and sideline even if he doesn’t see the field.  And of course we like the pool jump celebration.

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Summary.
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Two Frownies for this draft.  Good job on the plan and the future high acquisition.  Questionable choices throughout the three days.  I’m questioning whether I’m being too hard on the day three picks but I think that’s where drafts are won and don’t want to let them off the hook for DeValve and especially for passing up Killebrew only to wind up with Kindred.  But this is how we learn and here’s hoping they’ll learn and do better next year.


 

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  • actovegin1armstrong

    Not super confident on all of the respective draft choices, but I like Kessler much more than Wentz

  • jpftribe

    Hard to criticize what they did. I wouldn’t call it a layup, more like some consistent baseline jumpers, which is better than chucking up 3’s.

    They addressed WR and the edge on D, which were clearly the biggest problems, on a problem laden team. Got a couple of RT’s. Took a shot at ILB. Both guys lack speed but have big motors. Caldwell can return kicks and a few of these guys will be madmen on special teams. They staked their claim on the TE, late 4th rounder is not that big of a risk.

    QB isn’t as big an issue as the receiving corp and inability to stop the run on D. I’m big on RGIII and have been since he was drafted, we’ll see. There is more than just a little irony that we traded out of 2 after signing him to a reasonable contract.

    The trade down in 3 made no sense to me. They could have had Brissett or Miller there. And that changes the Kessler pick.

    The biggest legitimate criticism they will face is passing up top players. They could have had Elliott, Ramsey, Floyd…basically anyone selected 2-14. Have to wait until next year to see how that decision pans out.

    They are definitely listening to football people making these picks. High work ethic, lot of overachievers and some real maniacs.

    • once you reconcile yourself that fourth/fifth moves are fair game and get past the urge not to nit-pick, it becomes easy to criticize!
      the driver for the piece was to offer a counter to the usual annual draft love-fest wherein journos whose livelihood depends on access to browns which is granted by the browns reword browns press releases. so i tend to err on the critical side, but really do try to be objective.
      my ‘guess’ on this draft is that their face was fixed for myles jack when they moved back to 8 as –if scouting reports are to be believed– he was the closest thing to a von miller or khalil mack or daryl washington that this horton defense is desperate for. perhaps i should give an additional chomp for not staying on a player they love when new data contradicts the original plan.
      yeah on the third round trade back: gave up braxton for guys who wouldve been there anyway (kessler, kindred, drago). i think miler is going to do well.

      • Tron

        I agree 100% with your thesis: When in doubt, the Browns do not get the benefit.

  • Tron

    Hard to say really. I like how many picks we made. I’ll never forget our last “most important draft in franchise history” in 2014 when we had, i think, 11 picks and somehow Trader Ray turned that into six players.

    I wasn’t that jacked about the Coleman pick at first and preferred Treadwell. But the more I see tape on this kid the more i’m impressed. He plays physically and looks explosive.

    Ogbah I love. I was partial to Spence as well because, BUCKEYES, but you have to figure his off-field drug problems were a good reason for this franchise to stay away from him. Of course, I can’t be certain but I think Ogbah is going to be awesome.

    Overall I liked that we picked a bunch of receivers. I’m not a big fan of drafting players from the Big 12. It always seems like the Browns are drafting players I’ve never heard of because they’re from the west coast or Big 12. With the best football program in the nation just a few counties south of you why not draw from it? Maybe that would make too much sense.

    Also, Kessler was a big surprise and I wanted Cook but it’s so hard to project QBs we’ll just have to trust Hue. For now.

    • im obviously tweaked that they went coleman over treadwell and im consciously factoring in who-was-available when i evaluate each pick, i think that’s fair. if i really dig into it, the browns are acknowledging they wanted length at WR by taking four WR 6-1 or better on day 3… so that was their primary goal… so why not get the best long WR in this year’s draft (and at a value slot) (and while adding 3 top 50 picks for next two years)?

      cook was dead to me with the archie griffin treatment. spoke volumes about him. but my point about taking a prototype qb over the 5-8 sun belt CB holds up… do not understand. particularly in a year where you’re taking 5 WRs, you actually need more QBs just to work them out..

      • Petefranklin

        Well my Las Vegas Raders kind of screwed up with another Big12 defensive player chosen. Getting a safety who was on the field for multiple 50 point games was a reach as well.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Did you see the new “accidentally leaked” Raider’s scouting report from the last days of Crazy Al? Great scouts, they did not exactly turn a phrase like Wodehouse, but they knew their respective prospects.

          • Petefranklin

            I will look into that report.

      • Tron

        Yea, that Cook video dissing Archie is so hilariously obnoxious. But as far as his on-field play I think he has all the tools to succeed. But I get the red flags as far as character. I like Kessler though. Speaks very well and seems like a natural leader. I really like that he’s from Bakersfield. Kid knows nothing will be given to him.

        We’ll just have to wait and see. If we end up failing miserably at least we will be in a familiar place.

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