The Hater’s Guide to the 2014 Cleveland Browns.

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Among the reasons to slow your collective rolls regarding the 2014 Browns is the designation of a Homgrum-esque mascot complete with a nakedly demographic-seeking given name.

Friend of the site, former proprietor of Cleveland Reboot and theOBR contributor — and notable Cheddar Bay eschewer — Dave Kolonich got the itch to write a 2014 Browns preview and we’re happy to scratch it.  Editorial emphases are mine.


Mr SportsA few weeks ago, I retweeted an article that sketched Dan Gilbert’s often clumsy tenure as Cleveland Cavaliers’ owner against his recent brilliant run of dumb fortune.  The point of retweeting the article was to display a wonderful bit of cognitive dissonance:  the idea that LeBron James returning home is the best Northeast Ohio sports story in 50 years, yet Gilbert – he of the predatory lending empire and comic sans petulance – is a colossal doofus of a human being and NBA owner.1

Or at the least, it could make for a good argument.

But then I forgot I was on Twitter – mere hours after the Cleveland Twitter-verse were crowing their own version of “not one, not two, not three….”

To illustrate, here’s my low-fi version of Terry’s Talkin2

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Be wary of Cleveland twitter guy.

ME:  LeBron coming back is amazing.  This is the best thing that’s happened to Cleveland sports in decades.  It’s kinda ironic that a shitty owner like Dan Gilbert has this fall in his lap.

TWITTER GUY:  U mad bro?

ME:  No.  I’m just saying that both ideas can simultaneously exist.

TWITTER GUY:  Forgiveness!!!  “Five great years together and one terrible night”

ME:  Now you’re just quoting someone else.

TWITTER GUY:  Haters gon hate.

Holding two such seemingly contradictory views on something as precious as professional Cleveland sports brings a full – and largely moronic – condemnation.  Of course, Twitter Guy won.

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The most recognizable college football player in a decade and the most known celebrity in the world are both residing in NE Ohio. It’s not a bad thing.

And so it goes in this brave new chapter of Cleveland sports.  Our recent Johnny Football and LeBron upswing and subsequent ESPN notoriety has given rise to a new fan DNA – made of parts so completely fervent and unequivocal in their beliefs that anything lying outside of the collective group think is a base attack.

And Jesus – just think if we actually win something.3

Anyway, the point here is that there appears to be little room for independent thinkers in Believeland.  Go back to Baltimore if you don’t think Pettine is the next Lombardi or Brian Hoyer the next LeBron.4

So, as a counter to this year’s version of preseason delirium, I offer my usual rational preview of the Browns’ upcoming season.  I think the Browns will make significant strides this season, but I don’t envision a championship run.

This clearly makes me a hater.  Hence, the “Hater’s” Guide to the 2014 Cleveland Browns.


COACHING

Mike Pettine picked from the scraps of the league’s assistants and coordinators, yet still vastly improved the team’s coaching staff from 2013.  While Norv Turner and Ray Horton’s reputations were elite, their respective units suffered from both oblivious and tepid play calling.  The Browns of a year ago were a disaster on third downs and in Horton’s particular case, completely ineffectual in the fourth quarter.

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Shanahan clearly has no idea what a Galley Boy is.

Kyle Shanahan – and let’s be real here, Mike Pettine – should be able to maximize a roster that finally accumulated some depth in the offseason.  In Pettine, the Browns may have found their first expansion era coach who is a both a specialist and someone who actually looks natural as a leader of a professional organization.  In some respects, Pettine appears to be a more polished version of Eric Mangini – probably the last Browns’ coach whose coaching actually appeared to affect real change on his players.

Of course, coaches are great on paper until they Marvin Lewis5 their way out of challenge flags.  In terms of basic game management and practical competence, even Rob Chudzinski looked the part of an NFL head coach – minus the clichéd “rah rah” tough guy talk that supposedly was his undoing.  For all we know, Pettine could be louder and sound dumber – yet achieve the same results.

Shanahan arrives with some D.C. baggage – similar to about every other former Redskin coach.  He has a reputation for the kind of petulance associated with being an NFL head coach’s son.  However, he also brings a brief, yet successful turn in adapting RG3’s skills into a viable NFL offense.  While Shanahan probably wasn’t Pettine’s first choice – he is at least the Browns’ first coordinator in years to realize how fast NFL offenses now evolve.


OFFENSE

Speaking of evolution, it has to be considered progress when the Browns draft a versatile QB – then attempt to build a specific offense around him.  Only a few years ago, Mike Holmgren and Pat Shurmur shackled a series of QBs into a sterile West Coast system,6 while Turner and Chudzinski pulled a similar trick in 2013.  Although in both coaches’ defense, there is no NFL system built for Brandon Weeden.7

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The editor remain more optimistic about this year’s QB outlook than the writer.

Anyway, Shanahan’s offense gives his QB’s chances to be mobile.  Both by design and necessity, Manziel’s game is built for such an offense.  And given that John Greco and Mitchell Schwartz are the likely RG and RT starters, Manziel will need every rollout and play action he can get.  In Washington, Shanahan used a lot Pistol-esque formations and zone read types to establish his running game and open up receivers downfield.

On paper, the marriage between Shanahan and Manziel appears ideal.  While not a classic fit, Brian Hoyer still works in this same offense.  From the 9 quarters of his 2013’s starts, I was probably most impressed by Hoyer’s movement in the pocket – something that can translate to virtually any NFL offense.  While the recent Joe Thomas accolades are some heavy hyperbole, I do see some Tom Brady in Hoyer’s footwork.

However, the biggest issue regarding the Browns’ 2014 offense is the most obvious: (Probably) No Josh Gordon.  Without the league’s best young wide receiver, fans and media are going to have to buy that the Browns will win games with their defense and running game – something that only happens in Seattle and San Francisco.  Gordon’s absence means the Browns will have to rely on a fragile Jordan Cameron and a group of third and fourth wideouts – not good for what appears to be an emerging running game.

As for that running game, another positive aspect of Shanahan’s arrival is the switch to more zone blocking techniques.  The move makes way too much sense for an O-Line who traditionally has not been talented enough to consistently win solo matchups.  In a slight nod to Mangini,8 some of Alex Mack and Joe Thomas’ best career work came on the move during the halcyon win streak of 2010.  Adding Joel Bitonio – who according to some camp watchers looks very good, very early – should allow the new young crop of RB’s to stretch across the line and then turn upfield.

But then again, if Miles Austin is your top receiver, these same RBs are going to be staring at 8-man lines for the next several months.


DEFENSE

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Early reports from camp indicate the call for Mingo-at-free-safety was premature.

We can keep this one short.  As long as Pettine doesn’t follow Ray Horton’s lead and line up 225-lb. Barkevious Mingo as a 4-3 end, the Browns could actually have a decent pass rush in 2014.

The mercurial Mingo fits better as an outside linebacker in Pettine’s defense.  The non-Mario Williams linebacker role of a year ago played the run and dropped more into coverage – skills that Mingo seemingly could possess.  Similarly, Paul Kruger is a better fit on the outside as an edge run stuffer – a role he excelled at a year ago.  However, the biggest question Pettine faces is how to utilize the team’s best pass rusher in Jabaal Sheard.

Up front, the Browns will be incredibly effective – at least based on the overall health of Phil Taylor, Ahtyba Rubin and Desmond Bryant.  Taylor is a great fit as a traditional nose tackle, while Rubin should be the classic 3-4 run stopper end.  Overall, the Browns’ D-Line depth is terrific.  The rotations here should greatly improve the team’s late game defense.

As for that late game defense, drafting Justin Gilbert could be a game changer.  Again, in another sign of expansion evolution, the Browns’ GM drafted a player who is a specific fit for the Head Coach’s defense.  Seriously, has this ever happened before?  Pettine wants press man and Gilbert brings it.  We’ve come a long way from Dwight Clark drafting West Coast players for Chris Palmer’s Ron Erhardt system.

Wait – does this mean the Browns have become a functional NFL franchise?


THE PICK

So it all sounds great, right?  Division title, Super Bowl, then a parade?

Things have improved, but let’s take it in stride.

“U mad bro?”

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Who’s all-in on Ray Farmer?
Kolonich – check.
Kanick – check.
Haslam – check plus.

First, I’m all in on Ray Farmer.  He did his coach a solid by taking Gilbert and made his owner millions with Manziel.  In the process, he played the Bills out of what could be a top ten pick next year.  Then, he got really smart with Bitonio and Pierre Desir.  I’ll call Dansby/Whitner and Jackson/Ward a draw.  Basically, he added depth to a team that didn’t have any while setting up the next two drafts.

At this point, Farmer is probably the best Browns’ GM in 30 years.

However, given the crater of despair that was the 2012 and 2013 drafts and based on my belief that NFL teams are only as good as their last 4-5 drafts, there’s only so much that Farmer could do.

Which explains the following:

Name the last big-time receiver to win a Super Bowl.  Name the last mega-guy. (Gordon) matters to me because I like the guy and I think he’s a really good player, but at the end of the day, when you look at the teams that have these mega-receivers, name the last guy that won a Super Bowl?… There are none. The last guy that really helped his team get there was T.O. (Terrell Owens).’

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Every day that goes by is an indicator that Josh Gordon is playing this year.
The only open question is whether the NFLPA is successful in demanding the removal of Greg Aiello and his entire staff for leaking personnel info.

As far as justifications go, this isn’t Joe Banner deriding teams for actually drafting players in the middle rounds.  Nor is it a Romeo Crennel coin toss.  However, Farmer’s words could come back to bite him soon enough.  The Browns minus Gordon don’t have any explosive offensive players.  The new running backs are encouraging and Andrew Hawkins could be productive.  However, without Gordon the Browns don’t offer anything scary to a defense outside of Manziel’s potential.

I see Farmer’s point as it relates to the Seahawks.  Yet, the ugly truth here is that Pete Carroll’s Seahawks played about three years of brutal offense before discovering Russell Wilson.  If you recall, even a Pat Shurmur Browns’ team beat the Seahawks.  The bigger point is that none of this will happen overnight.  The 2014 Browns are likely going to be much more creative offensively, but they will also struggle and at times regress.

Defensively, the Browns feature an emerging core of young talent.  Yet, the failure of the last couple drafts means the Browns are going to have to rely on rookies at cornerback and inside linebacker.  The Browns also don’t boast a premiere pass rusher – an area that most fans and media believe is Pettine’s special ability as a coach.

And again, the Browns are heading into a season with a rookie head coach and rookie QB – which usually doesn’t deliver the most promising of outcomes.  While some would interject Hoyer as the solution here, I can’t figure out how nine quarters of football in a different offense offers anything beyond projection.

Finally, the idea that the Browns’ defense will carry the team through these stretches is a training camp flight of fancy.  No better evidence exists than Pettine’s own Bills of a year ago – a team that played very good defense, had the league’s second best rushing attack and finished 6-10.

Overall, the Browns are trending upward.  The front office and coaching staff appear stable.  There is talent on this team and May’s draft was a huge success.  However, it’s going to take some time in Cleveland.

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6-10.

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Don’t hate.


  1. Ed’s note:  Or, from another point of view, all you could want in an owner. [back]
  2. Lately, he just talks about how evil pot is.  Then he changes his mind. [back]
  3. Ed:  If the Browns start winning I will fear for our souls because we have the potential to eclipse Steelers fans in loathsomeness. [back]
  4. Ed:  HEY! [back]
  5. On a related note, I am so delighted by Andy Dalton’s contract extension – and the future one that Marvin Lewis will sign.  The Bengals are the funniest team in the history of the world. [back]
  6. This is the same tired offense that RG3 would have been stuck in had Holmgren “fired more bullets.” [back]
  7. Besides Eli Manning running a West Coast offense, I cannot wait for the circus that will be Weeden starting Week Nine for Dallas. [back]
  8. Mangini’s 2010 Browns still fielded the most talented month of expansion O-Line play with Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Yates and Womack. [back]
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  • actovegin1armstrong

    Watching the game through the magic of DVR, and not that there was ever a doubt, but Terrance West is yards ahead of Trent Bitchardson.

  • actovegin1armstrong

    DK, well done and I you should also receive the understatement of the year award for

    “He has a reputation for the kind of petulance” Actually the kind of petulance that started the French Revolution. I called it the day he was hired, the Browns will have a locker room gone mad until after The Great Shanahan Rebellion.

  • Sam Gold

    Nothing original to add beyond what has already been said well by others except to echo: EXCELLENT! Looking forward to Kanick’s glass-is-half-fuller counter point.

  • bupalos

    Fantastic writeup. Personally, I think the end record will be better, but I think there will be some dark days through about the first 5 where this looks optimistic. 1-4 start with a 7-9 end seems reasonably likely to me.

    But it might be the first time where I can see just a couple things needing to go especially right (QB obvs., Gordon suspension decision) for this to be a division winner.

    • oribiasi

      Offense seems to perform so much better with a weapon like Gordon; without him, defenses can bet on us being a run-first sort of team for the most part.

  • Mad_Elf

    As always, well played, Dk! This has been a pretty sweet week for Reads in ol’ Brownsville, if I must say.

    And I do.

  • mgbode

    Sir Kolonich, a splendid breakdown as per usual. I will gather my thoughts, but I tend to side closer to Kanick’s outlook than yours at this point. Not having Weeden & Campbell play most of 13 games is a good start to a season. Upgrading at OG, CB2, CB4 also helps. I am a bit concerned about the lack of depth at S and we have a ton of WRs who could make the team (which means that we don’t have stand-outs).

    Of course, I am most concerned about: QB, WR, FB — FS, ILB, Pass Rush. All points you hit on above (other than FB, which might not be a real concern depending on how Shanahan ends up using Gray and Ogbannaya).

    Still, with a schedule against the mediocre AFC North, AFC South, though needing to navigate a tough to predict NFC South, I think we should find our way to more than 6 wins this season.

    • Petefranklin

      The NFC south is not as good as you think. Bucs are the second best team and I put them on a level with the Browns whom get to play them in Cleveland. I see the browns at 2-2 minimum vs them. I bet Carolina under 8.5 very heavily, they got pretty lucky last year down the stretch.

      • mgbode

        The NFCS is a conundrum I think. Each team other than NO (who have their own defensive issues) could be a playoff team or fall apart.

        I think Carolina should take a step backward, but Atlanta and TB should take steps forward. It will really depend on how big those steps are for each.

        I keep coming back to Atlanta when I review things though. They got pretty unlucky in injuries and in games last year. I think they should be the 2nd playoff team from that division, but it’s hard to tell after a year like they had.

        • Petefranklin

          They already lost Witherspoon for the year I believe. Their offense should be potent, but don’t underestimate the loss of Gonzales. He was the go-to guy in key 3rd downs and in the red zone. I doubt the QB has as much success without his safety blanket even with Matthews becoming a dominant force on the OLine. Total is at 8.5 wins shaded to the under.
          As Browns fans, let’s just hope that they open the season with a barnburner vs. the Saints that the Saints have to pull it out late. It would then be a flat spot for N.O. in Cleveland’s home opener, second road game in a row, home opener the following week, outdoors on grass, Graham possibly being held in check by Kirksey, etc.

          • mgbode

            Yes, Tony-G is a HOFer for good reason. They will have Julio back though and I am most interested to see if Roddy can regain his health (at 33yo, no guarantee).

            The big thing missing last year was that while Matt Ryan has been in the high 60’s for comp% the past 2 years (68 and 67), he was missing any long field component last year, which limited him to a 6.9YPA (which is terrible considering the comp%).

            He was also sacked (and hit) at a statistically signifcant higher rate compared to the rest of his career (OL issues, enter Jake).

            Combine those factors and I suspect that he’ll have more big plays, which will lead to more points.

            ———————–

            But yes, the defense could undermine things. That is the interesting component.

  • mgbode

    2013 teams that struggled to pass, but not to win. Each of these 24th or worse in passing yardage.

    13-3 Seahawks
    12-4 Panthers
    12-4 49ers
    11-5 Chiefs

    Important to note though that these were also ONLY 4 teams in the bottom 18 of these rankings that had a QBrating 88 or above. So, while you might not have to pass a lot to win, you do need to pass effectively.

    The only other team in the bottom 18 grouping that made the playoffs were the Colts (86.5 QBrating and ranked 17th in passing yardage per game).

    Additionally, all teams that had a YPA over 8 made the playoffs (Eagles, Seahawks, Broncos, Chargers, Packers — Saints at 7.9 were next).

    Also of interest, the Browns were the ONLY team in the top 14 of passing yardage with a QBrating below 84 (75.7).

    • Sam Gold

      “So, while you might not have to pass a lot to win, you do need to pass effectively.”

      Sounds like work for a “cerebral QB.”

    • Petefranklin

      So QB explains why the Browns were top 5 in YPP differential as a plus yards per play team. The guys who bet for a living expect that plus differential to equal more wins this year, although there has been some sentiment from wise guys that the Clowns would turn things around in previous years. I haven’t seen as much support for them as I have this year though.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      Stats lie.
      If a good team frequently has a big lead in the second half they do not throw the ball very much, so that makes, as Dave would say, the “sassissicks” an obvious product of either the chicken or the egg.
      Stats lie.

      • mgbode

        Statistics don’t lie, but people use statistics to lie. I agree that seeing a run/pass distribution while games are within 7 points and then a YPA and yardage totals would be completely better than what I presented above. But, Denver and New Orleans also had frequent leads and were #1 and #2 in passing yardage. San Diego, Green Bay, Cinci, Philly, and New England all were top10 as well.

        Some teams dedicate more to getting that passing than other teams. The important thing is to note that even the winning teams that do not dedicate their efforts on passing still are capable of doing it efficiently.

  • humboldt

    Hater.

    • humboldt

      As I finished the article, I saw a picture of Joe Banner in the “You may also like” section. His countenance reminded me of Shelley’s poem Ozymandias: “whose frown, and wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command tell that its sculptor well those passions read”. So profoundly relieved to have that era behind us.

      Many pieces seem to be falling into place this year, but agree that inexperience in the coaching staff and at the QB position may be key limiting factors. The good news is that for all of our wise analysis, the NFL always contains a germ of unpredictability. Conditions in Berea (good lines, depth, competent coaching, stable front office, potentially transformational QB, etc) seem fecund for a special season to take hold if the old gods (and the new) will it so.

      • mgbode

        always contains a germ of unpredictability. Conditions in Berea

        flashbacks to the staph-infection days

        • oribiasi

          The inexperience this year will do us in eventually, as the season goes on.

          Also, good to talk to you again MG! Been way too long.

          • mgbode

            We shall see if we have enough leadership to mitigate the inexperience. Good to see that you are still around.

          • oribiasi

            It’s doubtful that any amount of leadership can overcome a lack of experience in the NFL. Even if I can make myself believe that Manziel has the talents of a demi-god, I don’t know if I can even say that he has RGIII skills. And if he couldn’t make it…

            And yeah, after being “politely” asked to leave for not following a made up rule that still doesn’t exist, I have found a new home. If Jim permits I’ll share some of the absurd crapola they fired my way on this site.

          • mgbode

            RGIII sure worked well his first year. I will take some of that w/o the knee injury. His issue the 2nd year was that he never learned to keep his eyes downfield and he was a tick slower running with his knee issue.

            and: no need to drudge up any past. football talk is fine with me.

          • oribiasi

            Don’t worry; the WFNY thought-police can’t reach you here.

          • bupalos

            what site?

          • nope.

  • nj0

    6-10 sounds depressing, but then I think that the last time we had six or more wins…
    …Kellen Winslow was our number one receiving threat.
    …the Writer’s Guild of America was on strike.
    …Ron Paul was raising millions as a viable Republican presidential candidate.
    …Vladimir Putin was Time’s Man of the Year.
    …Myspace was more popular than Facebook.

    http://startupmeme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/facebook-vs-myspace-may-560×3111.png

    • Dave Kolonich

      And the Browns thought they had TWO viable franchise QB’s in Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn.

      Oh how times have changed (welp).

  • Bluedog93

    5-11. But 6-10 isn’t out of the question.

    I have two reasons for predicting that the Browns will go 5-11 or 4-12 this year: (1) They’re going to have to prove they can do better before I believe it, and (2) They aren’t much better this year than last year. The defense is a little better, maybe. The offense, if Gordon is suspended all year, may actually be worse. If the Browns have gotten better overall this year, they haven’t improved by more than how much the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals have improved. Meanwhile, it’s a new coaching staff. Not only do I not have significant data from which to conclude that the coaching staff is in fact better than last year’s group, I also have to account for the fact that the team is (once again, sigh) having to adjust to new systems. So my prediction is 5-11, and that will remain my prediction every year until the year I’m actually proven wrong.

    • mgbode

      (2) They aren’t much better this year than last year. The defense is a little better, maybe. The offense, if Gordon is suspended all year, may actually be worse.

      13 games of Weeden or Campbell. Regardless of Gordon, we could be better just from those guys not playing for us. Now, that does not mean we will be better as we don’t know what those guys will do, but I can definitely see the possibility. Plus, Bitonio. Never underestimate Bitonio.

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      Ravens improved? I don’t think so, more that they are slightly worse. Why do you?
      Steelers improved? Yes, an argument can be made here.

      Bengals improved? Okay, now you really need to make your case. I don’t see this one at all.

      ——————————————

      Now, I get the “prove it” edict especially since 2007 is the last time that the team was any good and that was merely a lucky break year. So, 2002 is really the last time the team was any good. Yuck.

      But, I think we have legit reasons for the team to be mediocre to slightly above average this season and that constitutes progress for this team.

      • Bluedog93

        Oh, if Hoyer plays all 16 games and Gordon isn’t suspended for the entire year 6-10 or 7-9 or even 8-8 would be feasible, but by the middle of the season, when it’s obvious the team won’t make the playoffs, they’ll have to make the switch to Manziel, and that will cost them a couple of games. Meanwhile, you’re relying on Miles Austin to stay healthy for the entire season or else you have a team without either a #1 or a #2 wide receiver unless Gordon plays. At least, that’s the way I see it, based on the fact that that is more or less show it has gone before.

        • mgbode

          Noone should ever rely on Miles Austin staying healthy.

          • Bluedog93

            I agree, but where does that take you? Assume Austin can’t stay healthy and Gordon is suspended for the year. Hawkins is your a lot receiver and Burleson and someone else are your outside receivers. Now say Hoyer starts off 3-5 before the coaching staff decides they have to make the change. Are you saying that Manziel can win 4 of the last 8 games with those receivers? Is there any defense good enough to keep a team at .500 over the last half of a losing season with a rookie QB and those receivers? Or are we looking at another 5 win season, give or take a game? For myself, I’ve seen this story play out too many times before.

          • mgbode

            I would start off by switching those 2 guys. Burleson is better in the slot and Hawkins has more in-line speed for the outside.

            Now, we need to find a 2nd WR for the outside and that is assuming those 2 stay healthy (not great). I see alot of Gray, Cameron, and running with some over-the-top stuff to Hawkins and Benjamin.

            But, yes, given our schedule, i think Manziel could go 4-4 down the stretch with our poor WRs. That has more to do with our OL, running game, and, hopefully, defense.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            bode, I certainly hope that you do not mind if I shall simplify your statement.
            No one should ever rely on Miles Austin.

    • Petefranklin

      Have you been listening to NFL radio? where every team improves every year?
      Defense a little better? Did you not watch Dquell make tackle after tackle from his position 5 yards off the LOS in the defensive backfield? Addition by subtraction, and he was the leader?

  • Well done and a very good look at people putting the cart before the horse in regards to the Browns (and I’m probably included in that group).

    While a 6-10 record may seem depressing, it is also probably realistic. A couple of breaks here and there (not losing Gordon for the entire season is one of them) and the Browns could go 8-8, which if that were to happen should be cause for much celebration.

    This team looks to be improved, but there is still a lot of improving that needs to occur. As long as we can see real progress this year, as opposed to the mirage of 2009’s end of season streak, we should all feel encouraged about the future.

  • oribiasi

    Well written, Kanick! And wow, able to comment on an article is a level of freedom previously unbeknownst to me!

    • Haha.. HEY!! this was kolonich’s piece. i’m crafting a preview that’s shaping up to be the opposite record.

      and yes you are most welcome here.

      • oribiasi

        Thank you, sir. I wasn’t aware who wrote it, but he’s solid!

      • bupalos

        If you’re going 10-6 you inherit my smiley face. I assume your analysis here is resting pretty firmly on A Dalton handing us a couple wins, which would not be a bad take. I went back and watched him struggle mightily with Pettine’s defense in the game they needed overtime to beat a Thad Lewis-led Bills team. And we’ve got significantly better personnel to run that D.

      • Petefranklin

        Can’t wait to read it. This is the year I’m all in on the Charley Browns with my wallet which has never happened before….EVER! I’m striking while the irons hot on the Browns. 9-7 minimum!, and I think I’m being conservative. Top 3 defense probably. 2-1 heading into the bye week…guaranteed!

        • ALL THE UP VOTES!!!

          • Petefranklin

            check these out….much better than last year for the Browns!NFL Lines Week #1-16 Team by Team – NFL – Forums – Pregame.com

      • Petefranklin

        Hope you already bet the Browns heavily in tonights game. I did!

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