No signs point to Manziel starting week one.
We all know Mike Florio is not a great reporter right? I ask because it seems like his brand is growing and we’re seeing him on network shows and I hope we know to take him with a grain of salt.
This came up last week in connection with his peculiar reporting of the Maurkice Pouncey extension. Florio wrote that Pouncey’s package exceeds Alex Mack’s … and neglects to mention that Mack’s guaranteed dollars (26M) are twice that of Pouncey (13M). In other words, Pouncey’s contract exceeds Mack’s in pretend dollars.
Anyway… he’s wrong again here:
What a surprise indeed. What a surprise that such a hack would take a Head Coach’s thoughtful comments completely out of context in order to get page hits. Here’s what Pettine said:
” … Brian had been here for those seven, eight weeks before the draft even started,” Pettine said. “That was essentially a head start and I don’t think it’s insurmountable. Brian is securely ahead of him right now, but we will compete and we will decide.
Does that sound remotely close to the same solar system as “All signs point to Manziel starting Week One?”
Not only is Pettine comment misreported, but actual reporters who actually watched the practices are saying Hoyer is way out front (and reading between the lines, also saying Manziel hasn’t looked that good). The most frank assessment was provided by theOBR’s Lane Adkins to his subscribers:1
– Quarterback Brian Hoyer is easily the best quarterback in camp. Hoyer reads, recognizes and gets the ball out much quicker than any other quarterback in a Browns uniform. When it comes to head-to-head reps, Hoyer has been throwing a better ball, with better ball placement and timing than the other signal callers in camp.
Another report from camp makes the same assessment:
And finally Ron Jaworski watched some practice and arrived at the same conclusion:
Jaworski watched Manziel from the sideline for the first time in person and … predicted Manziel would not beat out Brian Hoyer for the Browns’ starting job.
“He won’t,” Jaworski said. “Because of Hoyer.”
… his nod to Hoyer in this competition is mostly due to his appreciation of Hoyer’s ability and experience. “It’s noticeable when you watch the offense when he’s running it or any of the other quarterbacks,” Jaworski said. “He’s a veteran quarterback. The machinations at the line of scrimmage, the understanding, the command, the calling of the plays – you can tell he’s a veteran quarterback.”
I shouldn’t be surprised anymore when national reporters ball-wash for the national brand name players… but yet I still am and still like to set things straight when I can.
The message as always: sign Hoyer now.
Notes on Zara’s AFC North piece.
i didnt get to dig into to the meat of this great piece (and feel badly for having stepped on it with the World Cup post.. but hey, World Cup). So here’s some comments.
1. >>>confidence in Mike Pettine dwarfs any positive feelings I had toward Chud.>>>
Agreed. Ditto that on ONeill over Horton. Horton talked aggressive attacking hybrid defense; with Pettine-ONeill I think we’ll actually see some.
2. re: Hawkins over Edelman, I’m liking what I’m seeing/hearing about Hawkins. If youre going to be a short receiver you must be able to get your release at LOS. here is evidence that Hawkins can do this.
3. I should be more interested in seeing Tate than West but I’m not: I’m really excited about the prospect of Terrence West.
4. After years of trying and failing to insert random WRs into offenses, Josh Gordon last year made me buy in that WR is a position where talent trumps system. If this were last year I’d be spinning a yarn about Austin-Burleson-Bennett being just fine (and in fact I did just that, kinda, with a Greg Little post). A true stud WR is a major impact on wins and so our WR corps shapes up pretty
poorlymeh. I think Mike Evans was who Farmer wanted and yeah sure Gilbert is a great consolation prize but missing Evans was a miss.
5. I sure would like to know why Quentin Groves was released. I smell off-field shenanigans as the driver. Agreed on DQ is an over-rated Brown of the expansion era. ILB still seems shaky even with the Kirksey kool-aid I’m drinking.
TallLong cornerbacks. That is all.
7. >>>Ray Farmer hire. The default response was jubilation … I wish that the default opinion in these matters were more neutral, not completely devoid of opinion mind you, just a little more patience in rendering stark judgements.>>>
On Farmer, I didn’t catch the same cheerleading but to the extent that there was nothing tangible to base an opinion on… yes, it was over the top. My issue with the local reportage isn’t bouncing between polarities.. it’s that they’re usually flat wrong. I remember MKC waving pompoms for demonstrably bad OC Pat Shurmur; I remember a lot of loving for the Mingo pick and not a hint of criticism for passing on Buffalo’s trade back offer nor for overstocking the already strong d-front. Really really simple analysis is just not happening in CLE media.
8. >>>I am of the opinion that it is not necessary to attempt to plug every roster hole in the draft as it is a fool’s errand.>>>
Well said. For the record my thing with Banner’s draft last year wasn’t that they didn’t attempt to plug EVERY roster hole, it was that they didn’t attempt to plug ANY holes. Really mind-boggling. Seemed cynically designed to buy that regime time, i.e., “rebuilds take at least three years so you can’t eval us until then.”
9. >>>JFF is an entirely different animal. He possesses the potential to completely undermine the direction of the franchise. … Will all of this relent if Hoyer clearly beats out Manziel in training camp? Of course not.>>>
He does have that potential but yet see Pettine/Farmer as strong enough to manage social media shitstorms. They managed to pull off the draft without tipping their hands in spite of incessant bludgeoning (OMG SAMMY WATKINS!!!). Everything I’ve seen from camp says Hoyer is light years ahead of Manziel. And frankly, most of what I’ve read between the lines says Manziel doesn’t look very good. It might not relent immediately post-camp but it will relent when they’re 3-0 going into the bye.
10. 3-0 going into the bye? You’re high Kanick.
Welp what if you didn’t know the names of the teams and I told you team one was 8-8 last year; team two was 4-4 on the road (losing last three road games); and team three was 8-8 (2-6 away from home). That’s some middle of the pack football teams. It’s not way out there to see them as beat-able.
World Cup stuff.
I’ve caught most all of the World Cup games so and here are some random thoughts.
1. The breathless praise for Lionel Messi is way over the top. Brilliant! Artistic! Genius! To borrow Acto’s thing, I’m just a dum American but… the play of Messi has never matched the hype. Not when I’ve watched. Neymar? Yeah, I can see it. Ronaldo? Definitely. But Messi… meh. Argentina looked lethargic against a slow and sloppy Bosnia yesterday. Messi made one play and got a goal but really his play wasn’t worthy of the acclaim.
2. That’s another bit of expert commentary that didn’t square with my eyes. BIH’s touches were sloppy and passes off-target and pace was plodding. But ABC –Martinez in particular– was raving about them.
3. WTF ECUADOR? If you missed it: tie game, in extra time, Ecuador gets ball in the box, their guy dribbles and turns it over, now maybe 15 seconds of extra time, Switzerland runs down and scores.
4. Through Sunday 6/15, teams that look good: Brazil, Mexico, Croatia, HOLLAND, Chile, Costa Rica, France.
5. Teams that look decent: Cameroon, Australia, Ivory Coast, Italy.
6. Teams that look like shite: Spain, England, Honduras, Bosnia, Argentina.
7. France is going to make their presence known this cup. They seem to have been overlooked in the pre Cup reviews.
8. All in for Germany today.
9. I don’t hate USA against Ghana as much as I did last week. Mexico and Costa Rica did CONCACAF proud. Honduras, not so much, but on the other hand, I think France is also that good.
- Adkins provides the best ‘insider’ reporting of the Browns that I’ve seen and I think subscription has been good value. [back]